tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1411894864312049426.post7969705568141571558..comments2024-03-27T08:18:53.376-07:00Comments on JustJoshin Publishing, Inc.: How Much is that Baby in the Window?Josh Lanyonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11944091956589831656noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1411894864312049426.post-91255048770675020832012-10-02T19:51:53.668-07:002012-10-02T19:51:53.668-07:00What a fascinating idea the HFA is. Sadly, I agree...What a fascinating idea the HFA is. Sadly, I agree. I can't imagine even the notion of defining what a civilized and pluralist society is going over well here -- let alone actually creating such an authority. <br /><br />Or perhaps I'm getting dispirited after a few months of all that goes along with gearing up for an election. Josh Lanyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944091956589831656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1411894864312049426.post-10058651743698351902012-10-01T14:11:49.077-07:002012-10-01T14:11:49.077-07:00An interesting post as always,Josh, but I think th...An interesting post as always,Josh, but I think that there are very different issues at stake, when we are talking about our relationships with and responsibilities to animals as opposed to all the vexed questions to do with human fertility. Let alone all the questions about the ethical boundaries of research and the even more difficult ones about choosing which foetus to allow to develop to full term, and who has the right to choose, as the possibilities develop the minefield increases in scope and complexity. <br /><br />In Britain we have been lucky in having an enormously respected group of people on the HFA (Human Fertility Authority) who have the delegated responsibility of deciding what is and what is not acceptable in a civilised and pluralist society. They have published their reasoning and the vast majority of people are content to accept their reasoning. Although there are people whose beliefs may mean that they disagree with the rulings of the HFA, they are a minority and they are free to live according to the rulings of their conscience, without having a platform for imposing their beliefs on the rest of us. I think the USA has not been so fortunate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1411894864312049426.post-67645142181871248592012-09-27T21:33:45.436-07:002012-09-27T21:33:45.436-07:00Wow. Sarah, so many interesting points there. Cert...Wow. Sarah, so many interesting points there. Certainly a lot I had never considered beyond the obvious (should be obvious) issue of making sure your pets are provided for in the case of something happening to you.<br /><br />You can tell a lot about people from the way they treat animals -- all animals. <br /><br />At the same time, growing up I spent summers in ranching country where the attitude toward animals is practical and unsentimental. No one made the mistake of equating owning a horse or a dog with enslaving another human. This is not to say that the attitude toward animals was harsh or unloving. I've seen an old cowboy crying over his equally old horse. And another old man still tearing up thirty years after the death of a dog. <br /><br />Josh Lanyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944091956589831656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1411894864312049426.post-58652383476934792482012-09-27T21:10:30.719-07:002012-09-27T21:10:30.719-07:00I have no idea what that means?I have no idea what that means?Josh Lanyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944091956589831656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1411894864312049426.post-80566569752888729332012-09-27T18:28:21.388-07:002012-09-27T18:28:21.388-07:00What's terribly ironic is apparently a lot of ...What's terribly ironic is apparently a lot of humans now want to be "owned", figuratively and literally. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1411894864312049426.post-24655482854144439462012-09-27T18:23:30.307-07:002012-09-27T18:23:30.307-07:00Speaking from the other side of this issue as a ve...Speaking from the other side of this issue as a veterinarian, I am disturbed by the desire of some people to legally change the wording from pet ownership to 'guardian'. While I understand the need for some people to reword their relationship with their pets into something that makes them more comfortable, something that they feel better reflects that relationship, I am really concerned about the legal can of worms this potentially opens.<br /><br />What happens when you die? Must you legally establish a new 'guardian' for your pet? Yes, all of us should make arrangements for the care of our pets should something unforeseen happen to us, but is making a verbal agreement with your pet's breeder, your neighbor, or your best friend now sufficient in this newly defined state?<br /><br />What if you can't afford a specific medical treatment and opt to choose a less expensive one rather than the 'ideal' one? Or if you decide you don't want to pursue treatment that you feel is unnecessary and would not be of benefit to your pet? Will some legal watchdog group (no pun intended!) now intervene and remove your dog from your household because you do not believe in annual vaccinations but they do? <br /><br />The biggest problem might be what declaring yourself a guardian and establishing the rights of a child to pets will do to legal costs in the case of malpractice. To date, you could not sue for more than the value of the dog--emotional pain and suffering of the *owner* could be considered, but not the animal to any quantitative degree. <br /><br />It is my belief that this trend, continued in this direction, will result in increasing costs in pet care, and the very animals that we love so much will be the ones that are hurt in the long run as veterinary medicine gets priced out of the range of the average pet owner. I'm seeing this happen now, as the cost of the average vet emergency visit has escalated to the point that people are investing in pet health insurance--which I think will just pour fuel on the costs fire.<br /><br />I belong on a lot of dog lists, and this is a very touchy subject. But I feel like saying, "Call yourself whatever you want--just don't make it a legal term."<br /><br />So like you, I wish people would consider the ramifications of their well-meaning political actions. I just didn't put it as eloquently as you. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1411894864312049426.post-50832547233780323742012-09-27T14:47:23.650-07:002012-09-27T14:47:23.650-07:00Of course, there's also a long history of huma...<i>Of course, there's also a long history of humans owning humans.</i><br /><br />That is indeed the point. And when we try to pretend that owning a service dog is the same thing as owning a human...well, I'll just leave it there. <br />Josh Lanyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944091956589831656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1411894864312049426.post-30300024189113062582012-09-27T14:34:02.134-07:002012-09-27T14:34:02.134-07:00You're right the we don't expect animals t...You're right the we don't expect animals to vote, but uneducated and not bearing arms? I question that.<br /><br />My aunt is one of a small army of volunteers who train assistance dogs for disabled people. These dogs learn far faster than a human would - long before their first birthday they will understand well over thirty different commands, with spoken and gestured forms of each.<br /><br />Also, militaries around the world have long used dogs in military operations, and the DOD now also uses dolphins. Horses also have a long history of military service.<br /><br />Of course, there's also a long history of humans owning humans.Tavdyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109151555493408645noreply@blogger.com